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Title: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 17, 2010, 05:04:13 AM
Bringing the post to this new thread...

Restate:
Tried to get Medibuntu, but it appears that its not availible.

I can plug my USB drives in just fine, the printer works just fine. But when I put an audio cd or my ubuntu live dvd, it doesn't read, the music cd spun once or twice, but the ubuntu dvd, did nothing that I could see.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 17, 2010, 05:29:48 AM
Repost from asciisec.exe thread:

OK back in Linux to try these things out...

USB drive works just fine.

Put the Ubuntu dvd I burned into the drive. Nothing. cd/dvd rom doesn't pop up on the left panel in Nautilus.

The /cdrom folder is empty.

Ran the code from the Medibuntu website: and got this code:
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W: Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/karmic/dists/free/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404  Not Found
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.



Apparently Medibuntu isn't availible from that website anymore. Quite frustrating.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 17, 2010, 05:40:53 AM
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Err http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/free Packages
  404  Not Found
Err http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/non-free Packages
  404  Not Found


UPDATE:
Spent 2 hrs on #ubuntu irc.chat and still no solution for the drive not working
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 17, 2010, 07:38:33 AM
(http://s4.postimage.org/ybxu9.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVybxu9)
Maybe this screenshot will help some... The drive is there some of the code the irc.chat had me run, identified my wayward drive, but is still won't run when I put anything in it...[/img]
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 17, 2010, 09:21:01 AM
Feels like a small part of me is dying, when I see you struggle. :'(

I haven't got a clue as to what the problem is. It could be some other program is "hogging" the drive, and doesn't allow any other program to mount it (such as nautilus/gnome).

I'd advise you to try out Ubuntu forums, since I'm all out of ideas, and I'm far from an expert on linux.

I could be interesting to see the printout from your log file, what it says when you insert the drive. (In unix-systems the /var-folder is usually used for logs)
check the bottom of this file like:
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tail -n 20 /var/log/messages (perhaps you need to be  admin (aka., root, in that case: sudo tail /var/log...))
And update the check after you insert the cd. It could geve some clue that might help others help you, and perhaps even I, though I doubt it... :'(

("-n 20" prints the last 20 lines of the log file, manipulate at will)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 17, 2010, 03:08:00 PM
Eh you didn't know this issue would have happened. Just seems like my bad luck wants to rear its ugly head. I like Linux tho, its got some really cool stuff.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 17, 2010, 03:30:49 PM
If it's any consolation in like 30 days Ubuntu 10.04 (yy.mm) will be officially released, it's currently in the last testing stage, and they've changed how stuff gets mounted in it, (Stopped using HAL (=Hardware Abstraction Layer, not Hal 9000 ;)). So that'll probably (hopefully) work. But it bothers me that you're having these problems, and I'd like to know what's causing them.

EDIT: If ubuntu forums fail, you could try installing Ubuntu 10.04 now, and just update when the final release is here)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 17, 2010, 05:17:50 PM
Lol HAL...

Yes I would like to know why its not recognising the drive as well.

EDIT:
Here's the readout from that code
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Mar 17 02:24:59 dbook82-laptop kernel: [ 2207.488117] djplay[2775] general protection ip:807c523 sp:bffb6b70 error:0 in djplay[8048000+d4000]
Mar 17 02:27:27 dbook82-laptop kernel: [ 2354.763506] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block.
Mar 17 02:27:27 dbook82-laptop kernel: [ 2354.763512] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data
Mar 17 02:27:27 dbook82-laptop kernel: [ 2354.768303] i2c-adapter i2c-2: unable to read EDID block.
Mar 17 02:27:27 dbook82-laptop kernel: [ 2354.768307] i915 0000:00:02.0: HDMI Type A-1: no EDID data
Mar 17 02:33:41 dbook82-laptop pulseaudio[1720]: ratelimit.c: 112 events suppressed
Mar 17 03:42:12 dbook82-laptop pulseaudio[1720]: ratelimit.c: 143 events suppressed
Mar 17 09:53:12 dbook82-laptop kernel: [29100.011164] hda-intel: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj.
Mar 17 12:33:47 dbook82-laptop sudo: pam_sm_authenticate: Called
Mar 17 12:33:47 dbook82-laptop sudo: pam_sm_authenticate: username = [dbook82]

I'm going to post it on ubuntu forums as well
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 17, 2010, 07:46:44 PM
UPDATE:
Just for the heck of it I tried this
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sudo nautilus &
and nautilus pulled up with root and cdrom0 was on the left side! but i get a unable to mount error.
(http://s2.postimage.org/6rICr.jpg) (http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts6rICr)
See attached image
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on March 18, 2010, 06:50:05 AM
What exactly does the error message say?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 18, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
Now i don't know much, but on all computers I've played with, the CDrom have been linked to /dev/hdc, whereas your says /dev/sr0. perhaps that could be it?
(hmm, then again, perhaps not. When your computer starts Linux makes links to all devices, so there is a file that acts as a link between the hardware, for instance, passing a number to the file for the screen changes the brightness, and "connecting" a driver is made by "mounting" it to a folder. So at boot the computer makes a link to the cdrom and places it in /dev/sr0)

You could try to mount manually.
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sudo mount /dev/sr0 /mnt
then check the folder /mnt to see if there is anything in there. (note: when mounting, it must always be done to an empty folder)

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sudo mount /dev/hdc /mnt

You could also post the output of your fstab, that's the file that tells the computer where each partition should be mounted, (like in Windows it always mounts the main partition to c:\).
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more /etc/fstab (or gedit instead of "more")
(in linux all system wide config-files can be found in the /etc-folder, and all user specific files are hidden in your home folder)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 18, 2010, 08:12:28 PM
I'll give those a try. back in windows for now. Should I need to downgrade to 8.04 how do i go abt doing that?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 18, 2010, 08:51:05 PM
i fear i may have to hold off on linux again. my laptop restarted itself and now i'm sitting thru a windows repair session. i need windows for school so i might have to wait until summer to try again....
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 19, 2010, 04:40:39 AM
This is somewhat off topic... but I think two Linux threads is enough. I found this Linux Distro quiz. http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/

Feels like a joke or Linux propaganda though. I don't know... when I answer everything honestly I get 5 perfect matches and 6 90% matches, and 5 of those 90% matches were only 90% because I "may require Linux knowledge" (The other one was 90% because I require my distro to be free :eeeee:). That's 11 out of the 14 distros too...  :|

I think it's interesting though. Maybe I'm just open for more distros than average people... I thought I WAS average in the PC department. :pinch:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 19, 2010, 04:57:40 AM
Wow that's a quite a few flavors of linux.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 19, 2010, 07:03:44 AM
Yeah. You should check out DistroWatch.com if you want to get a grasp of how many distros there are....
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 19, 2010, 10:27:53 AM
Downgrading to 8.04 is not something I would recommend, that version is two years old, and soon to be discontinued.

As I've previously mentioned I use Debian. They have several versions, in different stages of development, namely:

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Name:    Stage:  
-----    ------        
Lenny   (Stable)
Squeeze (testing)
Sid     (Unstable)
???     (Experimental)


Now Ubuntu is based on Debian, they take a snapshot of Debians "Testing" version (which is quite stable, despite the name) and develop that for 6 months and then release it as "karmic" or some other name. Debians definition of "stable" is very orthodox and strict, their testing version is often more stable than other Linux distributions definition of stable.

So if I were you I'd either download the upcoming Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx, (It seems to be working quite nice already, a lot of people use it by now, and then just upgrade it over the net when the final version gets here, in 3 weeks.)
Or you could install Debian (testing, or stable), or just wait for the official 10.04 Ubuntu release.

No luck at all on the ubuntu forums?

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 19, 2010, 10:57:14 AM
Yeah I heard Debian is extremely stable. It's less user-friendly though.

I've come to the conclusion that the Linux world does not rise and set on *buntu. I've been researching different distros and some appear to be quite nice. Debian, for example. Though it allegedly requires more Linux knowledge. So, it's not my first choice. I've also heard good things about Mint, Mandriva, and OpenSUSE to name a few.

I heard the makers of OpenSUSE have some thing going on with Microsoft, however. Not sure what to think of that... :|

So what did you guys get on the quiz?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 19, 2010, 11:33:47 AM
I got 100% Mandriva, Debian, and *buntu on that test. Which is a bit excessive.

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It's less user-friendly though

perhaps 1% less so compared to Ubuntu.  I've used both, and the only difference I can come to think of is:

Other than that, it's identical to Ubuntu, except "Firefox" is called "Iceweasel", but it's the exact same program. (the reason for this being Debians fundamentalistic approach to non-free software. Apparently the Mozilla fox isn't "free", so it was replaced with some polar creature.)

(after installation you can manually install dvd-encryption, mp3-support, flash, Sun Java, and other non-free applications, just as you would in Ubuntu. Linux Mint is exactly Ubuntu + these packages, as I've understood it. You even install everything through the Ubuntu repository.)

EDIT: Wow, I just played Starcraft on wine, ran perfectly, without having to move/copy stupid *.dll files amongst folders as might be common when using Wine.
Most excellent.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 19, 2010, 12:26:35 PM
Yeah, I think that quiz is pretty much crap.

TOO MANY DISTROS!!! Too many... :pinch:  :eeeee:

I'll definitely try Debian. I realize that "user-friendly" can mean one thing to a person... and something totally different to another. I just figure with my experience (read "none") with Linux, I should go for something rated as "user-friendly" first. I DO want something that's stable and something that doesn't make me want to sick Domo-kun on little kitties. More research. It is required.

Yeah, I read about that Ice Weasel stuff in a review for Debian. I didn't know going on Mozilla's site and downloading one of their free programs was pirating though... bastards are trapping us I guess. :eeeee:

Not that I care. I'd see what Ice Weasel is all about... then install Opera.  :eeeee:

That's cool. I've always wanted to play Star Craft. Too bad it costs money...  :no:  :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 19, 2010, 01:15:57 PM
Mozilla is free of charge, as in not costing money, but the logo is a trademark, and some how does not fulfill the GNU license, so Debian replaced the logo and changed the name of the binary file, (that just runs the firefox-bin program anyway. )
+ Mozilla requires that all changes made "downstream" in their code must be approved by them before the downstream people get to call it "firefox"

But I must say, Debian Stable is almost a bit boring. If you install the "testing" version, that is continuously updated.

I just read on-line that the Ubuntu 10.04 is still suffering from some bugs, a lot has to do with the new "theme" (Plymouth) they're using.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 19, 2010, 01:28:34 PM
I think Canonical updates too fast. That's just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 19, 2010, 03:16:05 PM
Ok that will be something to look into. And Starcraft is awesome! if a bit taxing and frustrating at times.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 19, 2010, 09:12:09 PM
@cthulhu: no, still no luck in the forums... I might just wait for 10.04, but don't I have to wipe 9.10 from the system and install fresh?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 20, 2010, 01:00:46 AM
I notice that Debian having older software (Such as, an earlier version of OpenOffice) might be a thing with some reviews. Can't you just put newer and/or different stuff on Debian or Ubuntu or any distro? I know it's nifty to have lots of software downloadable through a software manager... but I'm used to the surf-the-internet-for-your-software concept. So it wouldn't phase me to download a newer program from an alternative source. Surely Debian can handle the newer OpenOffice, etc. I don't know... I'm probably reading more into this than I should be. It's hard to tell where the user-friendly-laziness ends and begins.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 20, 2010, 01:07:24 AM
Far as I know and what I've been told in irc.chat. You can't paste over. Gotta wipe and start over, unless I'm wrong. Anyone?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Christian Knudsen on March 20, 2010, 01:16:45 AM
I think you can update to a newer version, but it's always recommended on the forums to do a fresh install.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 20, 2010, 01:52:49 AM
Hey CK!, Any idea how to update? Cause all I've heard is wipe and install fresh. I'm liking Linux so far aside from the inability to use my dvd-rw drive. compiz is really cool and I like the matrix screensaver... Just wish one problem didn't pop up after the other.... :'(
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Christian Knudsen on March 20, 2010, 02:04:17 AM
I'm not sure as I've never done it myself, but imagine it would be done through the automatic updater? But maybe that only works when 10.04 is final?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 20, 2010, 02:33:38 AM
Hmmm, I'll just have to keep Linux there then I guess.

SIDE NOTE:
Ya know, it'd be cool to take my Pegasus to Denmark to have a beer/tea/soda, with this fine game's creator. And chat abt stuff. Lol
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on March 20, 2010, 06:20:16 AM
Quote from: "Christian Knudsen"
I'm not sure as I've never done it myself, but imagine it would be done through the automatic updater? But maybe that only works when 10.04 is final?


Yeah, since he has a network connection, he can use the "Update Manager" (probably under the "System" tab on the menu) to take care of it. But speaking from my own experience, that can be quite break-prone. I always prefer to do a fresh install.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 20, 2010, 06:28:47 AM
@flyboy
how would i use the update mananger? In linux right now. I can use everything but my drive in 9.10 right now so I'm not really in a hurry I guess, but I would like everything to work...  :pinch:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 20, 2010, 10:25:01 PM
I will say this, Linux is fast. I was playing on Adultswimgames.com while on Ubuntu and the speed was amazing.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 20, 2010, 11:57:52 PM
It'll play flash games faster? Nice... I have a 1.9 Ghz CPU. Not good enough for some of the more involving flash games.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 20, 2010, 11:59:31 PM
Yeah mine's a 1.3 GHz
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 21, 2010, 12:12:23 AM
I thought everyone left me behind. :'(

Well. That's a lot better than the PC I used to use. My last PC had a 450Mhz CPU.  :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 21, 2010, 12:16:57 AM
yikes! But then again I bought this laptop last september...
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 21, 2010, 12:24:17 AM
Oh. I didn't think about that... Laptops are generally slower than desktops, right? So your laptop is probably about as old as my desktop.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 21, 2010, 12:32:34 AM
Its possible I guess, just wish Windows ran as fast as Linux on this laptop.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 21, 2010, 12:38:38 AM
I wish Microsoft had less of a monopoly. Then you wouldn't be having any problems. Bug #1 in Ubuntu: “Microsoft has a majority market share”. That's actually on their site. :)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on March 21, 2010, 06:06:37 AM
Quote from: "Windmill_Man"
Oh. I didn't think about that... Laptops are generally slower than desktops, right? So your laptop is probably about as old as my desktop.


Yup! It's not very many laptops that come close to most modern desktops in performance. The ones that do are usually gaming laptops, which one would probably be hard pressed to find for under $2,000.

@VincentFirePony: It's been at least a couple of years since I've tried to use Ubuntu's Update Manager, so unfortunately I don't remember how to use it. I did find this though:
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 21, 2010, 06:24:13 AM
K rhnaks Flyboy. I've been trying to install upgrades but I keep losing internet connection...
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 21, 2010, 12:06:17 PM
I tried a Debian Live USB a little bit yesterday. I couldn't mount my HDD though. Said I do not have the permissions.I looked at the help file and it said that Debian (At least THIS version) doesn't allow mounting of drives (I can't remember if it's Windows specific or not) by default. How do I get around this? How do I get these "permissions"?

I just Put Xubuntu Live on my USB. Gonna test it sometime soon.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 21, 2010, 06:28:48 PM
Well if Debian works like Ubuntu, you use sudo to temporarily get the permissions.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 21, 2010, 10:14:53 PM
I don't know the command. Besides, when I was playing with Ubuntu it was able to mount the drives.

Not impressed with Xubuntu. Didn't even detect my HDD. I didn't want to mess with the internet at the time. I noticed a icon in the system tray that claimed restricted drivers were available. I thought maybe if I check that out it might be able to read my HDD. When I clicked on it, nothing happened at first. Then another icon appeared and it stated that a crash had occurred. I had a kernel crash. Some other error notice appeared too. When I kept telling it to go away it kept coming back... I had to shut down. I did not have this problem with Ubuntu or Debian.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 22, 2010, 10:26:55 AM
Quote from: "Windmill_Man"
I notice that Debian having older software (Such as, an earlier version of OpenOffice) might be a thing with some reviews

Well, after this year Debian will only release a new stable version every two years, so in general the software will be a bit "dated".

In the "testing" version all software is continuously updated, so if you want reasonable "fresh" software, perhaps this is for you. ("testing" isn't as risky as it might seem)

There are many, more recent, programs available for Debian stable (Lenny) in several places:backports (http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions), they release upgraded programs for the current stable and old stable versions of Debian.
2. Check the programs website, they can have the latest release available for Debain Lenny, or if it's a small program, with few/no dependencies the .deb-file will work on any ubuntu/debian/linux mint OS.
3. The program website offers the latest version for download, and uses the "windows" way, of having all the dependencies built in to the program, like asciisector, and checking Open Office.org, this seems to be the case there as well. (downside of this, is that it will take up more space.)
4. Compile it yourself from source. Don't use the "make"-command as the README will tell you to, but rather compile it into a deb, and then install it from that. (this is what I did to get the latest Midnight Commander version in Lenny)
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noticed a icon in the system tray that claimed restricted drivers were available.

I'd guess it was for the graphics card. (I'd guess you either have nvidia or ATI?)

The difference between Xbuntu and Ubuntu should not be too great, they are two separate development teams, but in general it should only be the Desktop Environment (all GUI-stuff) that differs.  

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I couldn't mount my HDD though.

It certainly can mount HDD or else you could only run it from the CDrom-drive, so I guess it's the windows-partition/HDD that you want to mount. In lenny the "sudo" command isn't installed by default, but switching to root (admin) is easy, in the menu you have a "open terminal as root" option (I think, not sure) or just type: "su" in the terminal, (=switch user), and then become root.
(to enable sudo read this (http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sudo.htm) short tutorial, but use gedit or nano instead of emacs, since that might confuse you, (since Ctrl+c/v/x doesn't work the way they usually do in this editor))

perhaps you might need the ntfs-package, to mount windows-partitions, not sure though. Google "debian mount win" and a lot of tutorials will come up.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 22, 2010, 12:39:30 PM
I would have tried Squeeze, but it didn't have a Live version.

I hoped I wouldn't be restricted to certain programs. This is nice to know. I would definitely learn to compile though. Compiling might become my replacement for my strange scanning/defragging urges.

Yeah, I use a Nvidia GeForce4 Ti 4600. I don't know what to say about Xubuntu and Ubuntu being the same except for the desktop... I just know I was able to mount my windows harddrive in Ubuntu and I wasn't even able to see it in Xubuntu. That, and Ubuntu didn't go all nuts on me like that. I never tried to get drivers or anything though...

I'll try to use su next time I try Debian. I use FAT32. I don't like change.

EDIT: Sorry for double post. These forums are having major slowdown for me.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 22, 2010, 01:15:46 PM
Wow, no NTFS? hehe, you're living in the past, man  :).
I'd guess Xbuntu doesn't come with the vfat package installed, or something similar. Hmm, but I could mount my usb-stick before I installed vfat, which I needed to re-partition a fat-disk.

Nvidia is what all Linux users prefer. they have full support for Linux, and Linux have full support for them, so you can install drivers easily through the repo, and then if you want you can install directly from Nvidia, but it is recommended to get the repo drivers first. There's a lot on Google about it.

I found this pretty interesting:
http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/build-a-lightweight-graphical-system-in-ubuntu/

I build my packages following this (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976) guide, but it doesn't work 100% since it doesn't cover it more in-depth. I usually download the "debianized" source for squeeze and then build it and install it in Lenny. (BTW, all the Debian names are taken from Toy Story.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 22, 2010, 01:34:48 PM
Nice! Nvidia seems like it's a good brand anyway.

I think AMD processors get good support. What about a Realtek AC97 sound card?


Really? I don't know who Lenny is... I'm guessing Etch is the etch-a-sketch. Squeeze... is that the little three eyed alien?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 22, 2010, 01:42:03 PM
Realtek AC97 is a very common sound card, so there's no problem there.

Found this about upgrading your Ubuntu distro, but I don't know how "good" the latest Lucid version is. I'm starting to hear stuff on the forums.

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To upgrade from Ubuntu 9.10 on a desktop system, press Alt+F2 and type in "update-manager -d" (without the quotes) into the command box. Update Manager should open up and tell you: New distribution release '10.04' is available. Click Upgrade and follow the on-screen instructions.

To upgrade from Ubuntu 9.10 on a server system: install the update-manager-core package if it is not already installed; edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal; launch the upgrade tool with the command sudo do-release-upgrade -d; and follow the on-screen instructions.

To upgrade from Ubuntu 8.04 LTS on a server system: follow the same instructions as for Ubuntu 9.10, but set Prompt=lts instead of Prompt=normal.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 22, 2010, 02:55:52 PM
That's cool. I can't think of anything besides my wireless card.

EDIT: I thought I'd try Debian XFCE Live. I actually loaded LXDE into my flash drive by mistake... oh well. I'll try it anyway.

Offtopic: I had a mission. The goal was to escort a Galaxy from A to B. I just got jumped by three pirates and three Dralthis at the same time. Damn... too bad I wasn't escorting a Ulysses. Might have survived.

EDIT: DAMN. I just lost another escortee! Damn Tarsus... Two dralthis attacked. One attacked me the other him... he didn't last long...
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 22, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
I have to stop going in unprepared... Debian LXDE felt fine, but I wasn't able to do much. I have to prepare before I boot into a distro. Next time I will be more prepared. Debian LXDE looked and felt pretty nice. It didn't seem to come with much software though. Nothing a little downloading couldn't fix. I couldn't mount my drives, of course. It was less descriptive as to why in the error pop-up, too. Not much less though.

I will be posting from a Live CD today.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 23, 2010, 12:03:18 AM
Cool cool
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 23, 2010, 04:30:44 AM
I guess "today" was pushing it. Haven't even had time to finish downloading XFCE version of Debian before I had to go make dinner. I'll do it tonight. Probably... :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 23, 2010, 04:33:46 AM
Keep at it!!! Still having troubles with my dvdrom drive.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 23, 2010, 08:26:21 AM
If you download the Debian Lenny DVD you can choose any of the 3 +1 desktop environments when you boot, although, I don't know if it's "Live cd" capable, or if it's just Install-capable. Can't remember, since I've never used Debian as a live CD, I just installed it right away.
(with the "3+1" thing, I meant the "three big ones" (Gnome/Kde/Xfce) plus  LXDE, which is a new attempt to make a complete super lightweight Desktop Environment.)
If you open the file manager it should detect at least USB + CD drives, and the main HDD, I think.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 23, 2010, 10:40:41 AM
Couldn't figure out where to find it. Doesn't matter anyway. I don't have a dvd drive. My usb is only a 2 GB too.

Sounds neat though!
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 23, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
For future reference, they can be found here:
Stable: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable
Testing: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/

BTW, I just read that if you want to try the new Ubuntu, and want to avoid any potential bugs, you can wait an additional 3 months for the 10.3.1 version, if you like to play the waiting game, that is.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 23, 2010, 03:46:01 PM
Hey, if you like the matrix screen saver, perhaps you'd like this (http://octavius.deviantart.com/art/Ghost-in-the-Machine-1012704) matrix-theme, unfortunately (for you), it's for fluxbox, but you can download it and use the wallpaper.  8)

I've been using it for the past 6 months, (even though I'm not a huge fan of the films) and it's just what I want in a theme, dark/black background and cool green war games-kind of look.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 23, 2010, 04:55:47 PM
Couldn't do crap in Debian. Tried doing what was recommended, wasn't getting anywhere. Kinda confused too. Stickin with Ubuntu for now. At least it could read my Windows partitions.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 23, 2010, 10:05:35 PM
@cthulhu OH! Matrix theme! Someone I chatted with on the irc.chat suggested I use Gnome-mount, but maybe I'm still unclear as to HOW or WHAT I need to do after inserting a disc in my dvdrom drive.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 24, 2010, 10:16:48 AM
Windmill_Man: Too bad you didn't take a liking to Debian, hope you like Ubuntu. I just hope they didn't rush the latest version too much, since it has a number of new features, and a lot of people don't like it that they moved the "_OX" (Min-Max-close-window) buttons from upper right to upper left, but it can easily be altered back, still, a lot of people won't like it, since it will be another thing that's sets ubuntu 10.04 apart from the MS-windows environment they're used to.

(As previously stated, there really isn't much of a difference between Debina and Ubuntu, hardly any to be precise, so i don't know exactly what you were referring to about not working in Debian, but keep on looking, and see if you find something you might like)

(At some non-Ubuntu forums people like to rant about Ubuntu, but I think it's great, it has truly opened up a way for Windows users to switch to Linux, without having to be "hackers". It's true, that Debian used to be amongst the top 3 biggest distros, and now it's Ubuntu + other Ubuntu derived versions, but the number of Linux users have increased significantly, across all distributions, so that's great.)

VincentFirePony: I don't really know anything about Gnome-Mount, but the general idea is that everything should work automatically, too bad when it doesn't.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 24, 2010, 08:28:35 PM
Today, I booted up in Ubuntu before I started windows. I figured I'd get that terminal command you told me to do a while ago out of the way. I located the wireless card.

Code: [Select]
*-network:0 UNCLAIMED
                description: Ethernet controller
                product: 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless
                vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.
                physical id: a
                bus info: pci@0000:01:0a.0
                version: 03
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 66MHz
                capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                configuration: latency=32
                resources: memory:e3010000-e301ffff memory:e3000000-e300ffff


I noticed it says "UNCLAIMED". So, that means it doesn't have any drivers for it in the live CD. What am I supposed to do with this info? :heh:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 24, 2010, 09:20:03 PM
windmill: do what I did, get on irc.chat and ask what it means. PChat is open(free) irc relay. go to the room #(which linux version you're using)
ex. #ubuntu, which is where i go for help
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 24, 2010, 09:45:16 PM
That's a good idea. I'll do that.

I use Pidgin. It can do IRC.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 24, 2010, 09:49:48 PM
It can? thats good to know. go under freenode. and /join #(whatever the linux version is)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 24, 2010, 09:56:49 PM
Thanks. I just registered with NickServ.

EDIT: Damn. 1554 people in the room.

EDIT2: Looks like I need to use something called "Ndiswrapper". I think I'm goig to forget about all this for right now. Things might be better if I could dual-boot. I can't install any distro as I do not have enough disk space. I'll wait until I can get my hands on a bigger HDD.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Matt_S on March 26, 2010, 04:32:12 AM
I remember I had issues getting wifi to work under Ubuntu.  I think tried Ndiswrapper, but I can't remember if that was what fixed it or not.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 26, 2010, 04:36:24 AM
Don't fret windmill_man, this is my second attempt at dual-booting linux. Trial and error seems to be the thing.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 04:50:31 AM
Well, my next trial won't happen until I have a bigger drive. 55 GB ain't gonna cut it. This drive ain't big enough for two OSs.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 26, 2010, 04:54:59 AM
Yeah that might have been the problem with my last laptop.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 26, 2010, 09:25:51 AM
Wow, 55Gb? Music and video, I presume? Is the other OS Vista or XP?
I have a friend who calls me every week and gives me a status report on his Vista, he only uses Internet, yet after each boot, Vista grows, it's now up to 19 Gb! Just the OS!

I think my XP is comparable with Ubuntu, like 2 Gb, or something.

Yeah, you have to get used to Google, and do some research some times, Windmill_Man, you seem to have done some serious research about which distro to get. :)
I'm going to leave like 10-15 Gb unallocated on my disk, just to experiment with other Linux distros I'd like to try out.

Just in case:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 10:10:29 AM
No videos. Lotsa music (3.10 GBs. Most of it is lossless compressed WMAs though.), but most of my space is taken up by games and programs. Hmm... Well... I don't know anything about Vista. I know a couple space hogs I've butchered though. I had GBs of the system restore points on my system. I didn't know they were there until I noticed the system volume information in all my partitions had GBs in them. I think they're useless (Viruses can bypass them and they only restore a few things. I prefer drive imaging for my backup needs)... so I got rid of them and stopped it from happening again. I also had a 4 GB .txt file called "drwtsn32" in a folder somewhere... I forget where. I didn't have anything that could read a file that big. I didn't even know what the hell it was. I deleted it... nothing bad happened so it's probably safe. It would have been bigger if I used NTFS instead of FAT32. I learned later that it was a log file for a program called "drwtsn32". It's some sort of error utility or something.

Right now my Windows folder is about 3.5 GBs.

Lots of research. 8)

LOTS of research... I need help... :'( :eeeee:

DistroWatch.com is your friend. :yes:

I hear good things about distros like Mandriva, OpenSUSE, LinuxMint, and Crunchbang. In case you didn't know, Crunchbang is a minimalist distro. Sounds neat though! I think Fedora is supposed to be pretty good. It's supposed to have the bleeding edge software though... even more so than Ubuntu. Not my style. Could be yours though. A new Ubuntu varient called "Lubuntu" is out there. It used the LXDE desktop. LXDE is supposed to be more lightweight than XFCE. Looks good though! I saw it on a Debian Live CD and it looked sharp. I'll try it when I can.

I hear good things about PuppyLinux, TEENPup Linux, and KNOPPIX. Those aren't really meant for installing though.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 26, 2010, 10:48:10 AM
I don't know much about Mandriva. Open SUSE is what we use at my work, it has actually crashed (!!), but my work-computer is very old (8-10 years!). Open SUSE is supposed to be good, though.
Linux mint IS ubuntu+propriety parts, and even more user friendly (perhaps at the expense of less configurability?). Crunchbang and Lubuntu are both ubuntu derived, and both use open Box as a window Manager (Window Manager=what makes it able to draw windows and move/resize them, basically makes it GUI instead of command line). puppylinux is a light weight distro I hear, don't know much about it.

Yes, Open Box is WAY lighter than XFCE, but XFCE is a desktop environment (DE), and the LXDE-team are trying to make a DE, out of very light weight parts, such as Open Box etc, but they're not there yet.

So Cruchbang and LXDE/Lubuntu are probably equally (very) lightweight, and can't compare to XFCE. Yet LXDE isn't a full DE yet, neither is Crunchbang, but I would choose Crunch, since it seems more developed, and more "mature", than the more recent LXDE/Lubuntu.

I recently read that the next Crunchbang will be Debian derived instead of ubuntu, so they're tapping the source directly... :)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 10:59:21 AM
Yeah... everything is either Debian-based or Ubuntu-based.

The rest is RedHat-based.  :eeeee:

Isn't basing something off of something that is based on something else like making a carbon copy of a carbon copy? :?

I think OpenBox is entirely right-click oriented. Looked cool though. I could have used it on my old computer. I was using Win98 too so... not exactly needing of something THAT light.... :heh:

We have a very old Toshiba laptop. I think it has a 100MHz processor. Probably more.. it could run Win98. Took it off and used Win3.1 instead. Win98 took up half the hardrive. :heh:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 26, 2010, 11:08:55 AM
I use Fluxbox, which is like a brother to Open Box, (they're both derived from the Black Box window manager).
Hm, well, right click gives you the menu,  (think "start menu" in windows terms), and neither have any native support for desktop icons, so you either have to use idesk, or some other program to put icons on your desktop, but I can't see any reason for having desktop icons. What are they used for?
Anything you do repeatedly should have a keyboard command.

It's true that most Linux distributions are based on either Red hat or Debian, that's just because they were the ones who successfully fixed the dependency-hell that a shared library can cause.

Arch Linux isn't derived from these, it's from scratch.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
I know there are SOME distros that aren't based on something.   :hehe:

I know you can have Gnome, KDE, and XFCE all in the same Ubuntu installation... can you get FluxBox and such in the group too?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 26, 2010, 11:28:55 AM
Absolutely.
Just install fluxbox (1.07 MB!!!), and at the login promp choose to start Linux with Fluxbox instead of Gnome.
you can only run ONE window manager at the time.
In Gnome it's either Metacity (default) or Compiz
in KDE it's either kwin (default) or Compiz
I don't use any Desktop Environment, I just run Fluxbox, just like the Cruchbang/LXDE-projects. (well, changing the "Flux" to an "Open" -box)

I find screen shots to be the most enlightening:
http://browse.deviantart.com/customization/skins/themes/fluxbox/

HowTo:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 11:33:21 AM
I thought you used XFCE?

Oh yeah... it can be made to look really pretty...  8)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 26, 2010, 11:40:45 AM
Nope, tried it once of a live CD, but I went:
 Ubuntu (Gnome)--> Ubuntu (FluxBox) -->Debian+(Fluxbox).

By the way, Flux Box is just as light weight as Open Box, but the configuration files are way easier in flux, + flux comes with a panel, this might be good/bad depending on what you want.

But then again, there are some apps that can modify the openbox config. files through a GUI and I think that's what Crunchbang and LXDE uses, so you never have to go in to the config files. I think.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 12:01:58 PM
I've been pampered... so a GUI would be right up my alley.

I'll be checkin' out Gnome and KDE too. I guess I'll check out XFCE... I wasn't thrilled with the Live CD that had XFCE. Maybe it'll be different if I install it.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 26, 2010, 12:11:22 PM
It seems like you want to find the "perfect" setup right away, and I don't blame you for it, but I think the easiest is to just install Ubuntu, get accustomed to it, learn it and then experiment with XFCE/KDE/LXDE OpenBox, Compiz and anything else you like, from that Ubuntu-installation. Nothing of what you will learn in ubuntu/gnome will be "in vain", you will need it all.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 12:16:37 PM
Yes. It's my plan.

I cannot think of anything else to say. :heh:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 26, 2010, 12:22:46 PM
Well, silence is golden.
By the way, 10.04 will be released April 29:th. Hope they managed to squash all them bugs (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs) by then.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 12:28:54 PM
Hopefully I'll have another HDD by then.

80$ for 1 TB Western Digital HDD sounds like a good deal to me. Especially since from the same place you can buy a 160 GB HDD of the same brand for 30$...

When I get some spending money... I'm going to check out Ebay.

I'm getting sort of obsessed with this whole Linux thing... :heh:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 26, 2010, 10:36:36 PM
Lol be careful with obsession. You said in a previous post that you image write your hard drive? how do you do that?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 26, 2010, 11:02:13 PM
Drive imaging software. Go here for a list of a few... http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-drive-imaging-program.htm

I'm not sure what I should use yet... I use FAT32 so I cannot image my drive while it's in use. I'll have to boot up into something before I can. So far, the one I'm thinking of using is Drive Image XML.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 26, 2010, 11:08:39 PM
So how exactly does it work? is it like an iso?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 27, 2010, 02:08:35 AM
Pretty much. I think there are programs that can access them just like 7Zip can access ISOs. I'm not sure of all the details of imaging a drive... but if you get the kind I'm wanting (I already have a good program... but it doesn't work with XP... :'(), you can erase everything on your HDD, including partitions, and restore it like nothing happened.

I don't think the image formats are universal, however... unlike ISOs. There might be exceptions though.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 27, 2010, 02:18:06 AM
Ok I have Vista. So this program(whats the name of it?) might work with my laptop? Now I'm interested. But what if your drive has a virus on it? (not saying mine does)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on March 27, 2010, 02:32:18 AM
You could check out Disk Image. I've never used it but my dad likes it. It's also quite reasonably priced at around $30 or so.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 27, 2010, 02:37:01 AM
:pinch: Oh... kinda strapped for cash...

Flyboy, what version of Linux do you use? What do I need to do to mount my dvdrom drive, when i put in a data/music/dvd cd?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 27, 2010, 02:51:47 AM
Quote from: "VincentFirePony"
Ok I have Vista. So this program(whats the name of it?) might work with my laptop? Now I'm interested. But what if your drive has a virus on it? (not saying mine does)


The good program I have is called "Power Quest Drive Image". Made by Power Quest. It won't work with XP because it's too old... so it won't work with your system either. Especially if you use the NTFS filesystem (It's older than the filesystem is). Back then... you had to boot up into the image software because there was no shadow copying. Which is what I want. I tried Macrium Reflect Free, which is supposed to be very good, and the boot cd it creates can only restore. Not backup. If you use the NTFS filesystem you can use this and other imagers without hassle. Drive Image XML can be used with UBCD4Win (http://www.ubcd4win.com/) which is a bootable CD. So it was going to be my choice... now I'm looking for something good that Linux has.

If you have a virus on your drive it'll be imaged as well. Just like with any other backup software. Always scan before backing up.

I'm sticking with FAT32 for sure now... Linux has better support for it. I haven't had a problem with it so far anyway.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 27, 2010, 02:56:42 AM
Good to know. Thanks  :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 27, 2010, 03:11:44 AM
Most welcome!  :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 27, 2010, 03:18:48 AM
I feel so old and out of date... I need an uber-computer-user type thing course I can take to get back up to speed.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 27, 2010, 10:43:36 AM
There are a lot of disk imaging capabilities built right into linux, no need for downloading, it's right there in the terminal, I've never used it, but if I would, I'd google "linux disk image" or something similar, to learn more.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on March 27, 2010, 11:54:52 AM
Cool. I bet Clonezilla is one of them.  8)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 27, 2010, 06:30:40 PM
I'm looking for more a disk imaging thing for windows. But one for Linux as well might be good.

@cthulhu that syntax highlight script you wrote, is there any chance is can be added to notepad++ or gVim?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 28, 2010, 07:39:49 AM
gVim is out, I decided to learn Emacs instead, so if anything I should make one for that. Don't know how notepad++ works, but since it's (partially) a windows app, I doubt it uses the Gnome/Gedit files/shared libraries for its highlighting thingy.

Did you manage to copy it into the right folder? There is one or two small errors in it, two "extra" spaces in the ship-names, can't remember which now. Just remove them, you'll notice when they won't highlight.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 28, 2010, 07:48:37 PM
Well I chatted with some ppl at the #notepad++ irc chat and they said you can only temporarily add a "language". I'm poking around in the folder and can't seem to find a place that stores the language files... hmmm....
 :no:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on March 29, 2010, 02:40:26 AM
Quote from: "VincentFirePony"

Flyboy, what version of Linux do you use? What do I need to do to mount my dvdrom drive, when i put in a data/music/dvd cd?


I use Fedora. Right now I'm running Fedora 12 x86_64, but that will likely change when Fedora 13 is released. Unfortunately it's been so long since I've had to manually mount anything, I don't remember exactly what command to run... but the mount command should look something like:
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mount -t type dev dir

where type is the file system in use. Try eliminating the "-t" and don't try to specify the file system used. "dev" is the device, I think it should be something like cdrom0 on Ubuntu. "dir" is the directory where it will be mounted, which on Ubuntu is /media. Hope that helps...
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on March 29, 2010, 06:36:13 PM
Quote
I'm poking around in the folder and can't seem to find a place that stores the language files... hmmm....

But you've gotten the Quest-script to work with gedit right? I think my script will/could work in Xbuntu/XFCE as well.


Oh, regarding your most unfortunate situation with the CD, has anyone on the IRC-channel suggested that you check that you're a member of the cdrom-user group or equivalent?

Code: [Select]
man groups
to do some reading, like:
Code: [Select]
groups yourUserName
Now I'm not sure that there is a "cdrom" group but perhaps something similar.
(hmm, of course, if your CD didn't work when you looked at it as "sudo nautilus" then this is probably not the error... well it was worth a shoot.)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 29, 2010, 06:40:06 PM
No, no one suggested that. hmmm I'll have to look into that.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on March 30, 2010, 11:32:49 PM
Ok Cthulhu, do you know of a way I can add the syntax highlighting language to SciTE?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 01, 2010, 04:02:16 AM
Ok, so when I boot up my laptop. I have 3 selections for the same Linux. How do I get rid of the extra selections? I think they're different versions of the kernel. Is that something I can do through the system menu or Synaptic?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 01, 2010, 05:55:24 AM
Quote from: "VincentFirePony"
Ok, so when I boot up my laptop. I have 3 selections for the same Linux. How do I get rid of the extra selections? I think they're different versions of the kernel. Is that something I can do through the system menu or Synaptic?


If you don't want the different selections, the safest way is to edit /etc/grub.conf (assuming that you're using grub) and just comment out (not delete) the unwanted entries. Just about all Linux config files use a "#" as the comment character (without the quote marks) so that the rest of that line, and that line only, will not be used. You just need to make sure that you comment out all of the lines for a given kernel. If you actually want to delete the extra kernels, they are located in /boot. But I reallllyyy wouldn't recommend either of those two suggestions.

If you take a look at your grub.conf file, it should look something like this:
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default=0
timeout=5
splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
hiddenmenu
title Fedora (2.6.32.10-90.fc12.x86_64)
        root (hd0,0)
        kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32.10-90.fc12.x86_64 ro root=UUID=7d3921a5-ba27-4c28-9bd9-63054c667394 noiswmd LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us rhgb quiet rdblacklist=nouveau
        initrd /initramfs-2.6.32.10-90.fc12.x86_64.img
title Fedora (2.6.31.5-127.fc12.x86_64)
        root (hd0,0)
        kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.31.5-127.fc12.x86_64 ro root=UUID=7d3921a5-ba27-4c28-9bd9-63054c667394 noiswmd LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us rhgb quiet rdblacklist=nouveau
        initrd /initramfs-2.6.31.5-127.fc12.x86_64.img



This is my working grub.conf. Starting at the top, the "default" parameter (which is set to 0) determines which kernel will be booted by default. The kernels are numbered based on their order in the file. In this case, vmlinuz-2.6.32.10-90.fc12.x86_64 will be booted by default, since it is defined first in the file. Likewise, if "default" was set to "1" the second kernel defined in the file would be booted by default. Right below "default" is "timeout". This option specifies how long, in seconds, the user has to act to boot a different kernel. A value of "5" is just about right, it doesn't really slow down the boot process much, but it gives the user plenty of time to react.

The normal boot process with this file is quite comfortable, after the BIOS displays the POST message, grub comes up and says something along the lines of booting Fedora... in (countdown starting at 5 in this case) seconds. It also has a line saying something about pressing a key to select other kernels... I just don't really pay enough attention to remember exactly what that line says. If I don't press any keys on the keyboard, it will continue on to boot the default kernel. Otherwise, if I press a key, grub will display a nice menu that will allow me to pick a different kernel at my leisure. The five second timeout only means that grub will wait five seconds before booting the default kernel unless the user presses a key to bring up the menu. That menu is also handy for editing other boot options for that kernel, but you shouldn't ever have need to do that with Ubuntu.

If you just set the default kernel and timeout to something comfortable, then you have a backup in case the kernel that you normally boot gets trashed somehow. Anyway, that's just my two cents on grub.conf. :)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 01, 2010, 06:24:08 AM
Flyboy, cant seem to locate grub.conf
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 01, 2010, 07:28:18 AM
Uh, oh. Is it in /boot/grub/grub.conf? Also, do you know if you're using grub? I'm pretty sure you are, if you used the standard Ubuntu CD/DVD.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 01, 2010, 07:43:49 AM
Yeah I found it. But its all very confusing. I need like an extreme n00b guide for Linux. Starting to get frustrated with it all  :'(
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 01, 2010, 09:25:24 AM
The old grub was in /boot/grub/menu.lst, but I think Ubuntu is using Grub2 now and that's somewhere in /etc/.

The file itself will be commented with instructions. The various boot options you have is probably the same kernel but in different "modes" and run-levels. This is to have something to fall back on if Gnome or some other thing is damaged after a disk crash or something similar.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 02, 2010, 09:56:20 PM
Still having dvdrom issues... I'm enjoying Linux but I do have to ask. What benefit, aside from from being free and open source, does Linux give me?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Christian Knudsen on April 02, 2010, 10:09:18 PM
I'd say it depends on your needs. I use it a lot for doing graphical stuff in Gimp. Sure, you can get Gimp for Windows, but it didn't work very well on my XP, whereas on my Ubuntu install on the same machine it just flies. Also, I've installed Xubuntu on an old machine that was having a hard time with Windows XP, but again, Gimp runs faster on that old machine than it does on my newer XP machine. I just feels that Linux makes better use of your machine.
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Post by: VincentFirePony on April 03, 2010, 01:04:56 AM
-nods- i can see that too CK. playing flash games on Linux makes them FLY, but I've had so many troubles with Linux... GRRR!!! :pinch:  :@

EDIT:
So maybe i should put Linux on my old laptop that my mom uses, but it has a plug in wifi card. and that was a problem i had when i used that old laptop.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 03, 2010, 02:33:48 AM
I'm beginning to think it'd be best to just build your own computer. Then you can select the best and most supported parts. I bet some people HAVE to do that... I know I might need a different wifi card.

I'm definitely going to build a PC at least once in my life. Doesn't seem like it'd be that big of a deal... hardest part would be putting the motherboard in and the CPU. I've already done certain things like install a wifi card, a few HDDs, and a floppy drive. When I had to install the floppy drive (For some odd reason... my current PC did not have one when I obtained it.) I had to fiddle a lot to get it in there. That's mainly because the cables were a little short. I had to move my CD drive down a few levels to get the floppy in. So... technically I reinstalled all my drives a couple times that night.

Hell of a lot easier than programming, I bet.  :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 03, 2010, 03:24:24 AM
I would definitely like to build my my own pc as well...
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Post by: Windmill_Man on April 03, 2010, 07:43:44 AM
Most definitely a desktop. I bet the butt pain equivalent of building a laptop would be an alcohol soaked cheese grater.

I don't even know if they sell laptop parts.
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Post by: VincentFirePony on April 03, 2010, 08:21:13 AM
with salt and lemon too i bet...
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Post by: Flyboy on April 03, 2010, 11:05:27 AM
Quote from: "VincentFirePony"
I would definitely like to build my my own pc as well...

Cool! It's definitely rewarding. Dad and I built the machine I'm on now, and let me tell ya' it's a lot funner to build your own than to just buy one. Plus it's more economical.

@Windmill_Man: Yes, it is way easier to work with a desktop than a laptop. I've actually never done anything hardware wise with a laptop, but judging from how crowded a large, well-engineered  ATX case can feel, a laptop has to be a major pain. Plus there isn't really any room for extras. If I was so inclined, I could go out tomorrow, buy an extra graphics board, and toss in three-way SLI. You just can't do that with a laptop. The only thing you have to watch out for in buying components is to make sure that you buy a motherboard with the right CPU socket for the CPU you plan on using. Then you have to make sure to get RAM that's compatible with the RAM sockets on the motherboard.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 09, 2010, 11:42:26 PM
Holy Crap Buckets PenguinMan!!!

I'm watching Monsters Vs. Aliens IN UBUNTU!!!! Apparently with an Acer Aspire 5810T (my laptop) there is a bug with mounting the dvdrom drive in 9.10.

So by typing "eject cdrom" in the terminal and inserting said dvd it autoruns!!!
Huzzah! -does the Futterwacken dance!-
I won't keeps my hopes up tho (but I will hope it continues to work)

EDIT:
Also I found the 9.10 Netbook Edition and I'm interested in trying it on my laptop,  but netbooks traditionally don't have a dvdrom drive IN then, so I'm hesitant. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 10, 2010, 08:23:48 PM
Crazy! That is a really strange bug... You could try the netbook edition on your laptop. No reason not to. I have no idea if it will have DVD/CD support though. It should, since most people will just use a usb CD/DVD drive with their netbook if they need one.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 10, 2010, 08:27:14 PM
Yeah apparently the bug affects Acer laptops like my own. But that little workaround works! I took out Monsters vs. Aliens and put in Sherlock Holmes and it automounted!!!!  :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 10, 2010, 08:35:09 PM
So once you eject the cdrom once after booting, it works perfectly after that? You could use a script to do that automatically on bootup. Just put the command that you use in a text file, make it executable with "chmod 755 name-of-file-here", and then click on System -> Preferences -> Startup applications. In the dialog that comes up, just put anything you want in the "Name" field, and in the "Command" field, browse to the script you just made. Now when you log in, the script will be run and you'll never have to mess with it again. As an alternative, you could just add the script to the boot sequence, but setting it up in Gnome as a startup application is a bit safer.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 10, 2010, 08:36:59 PM
It seems to. So how do it make it a script? just type eject cdrom in a file on gedit?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 11, 2010, 01:16:57 AM
Awesome!....:P

Really is a strange bug though.

My dad found some USB wifi cards/dongles(?) that have a 802.11n chipset. This chipset is supposed to have Linux drivers! So later... I'll have internet in Linux! I just hope it works good since it's USB....



......would that be the new Sherlock Holmes? Good movie. I've never seen Monsters vs. Aliens. Looks good though.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 11, 2010, 01:24:00 AM
Why yes Watson, it is the new sherlock holmes, bought it on monday and it is a very good movie. makes me want to study wing chun.

M vs A is cutesy funny and House (as in Dr House from the show) does a voice.
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Post by: Windmill_Man on April 11, 2010, 01:37:31 AM
I've never read any books... but it's a lot different than the Sherlock Holmes you usually see being portrayed. I heard that the new movie is more like the books. I always thought Sherlock was prim and proper and a "gentleman".
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Post by: VincentFirePony on April 11, 2010, 05:25:49 AM
Yes and a "gentleman" knows Bartitsu... At least that what Doyle had the original Sherlock a master of.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 11, 2010, 08:34:04 AM
I remember when I saw the preview of the movie. I was like, "WTF? Since when does Sherlock Holmes brawl like that?".
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 11, 2010, 08:40:18 AM
Lol I know right. But according to the light research I've done Sherlock uses Bartitsu a combination of stick fighting, wrestling, jujitsu and such, as written by Arthur Conan Doyle. but in the new movie Robert Downey Jr uses wing chun.
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Post by: Windmill_Man on April 11, 2010, 09:02:39 AM
I guess the style really doesn't matter... just as long as he kicks ass. :yes:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 11, 2010, 09:08:01 AM
Yes the kicking of the 4th point of contact is what matters!!!
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 12, 2010, 08:52:59 AM
WOW, that's awesome, that you have the DVD up and running. My guess is that they will have the bug fixed in 10.04, (t minus 17 days).
could this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eject/+bug/412527) be the bug?

To write the script, put this in a file.sh:
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#!/bin/bash
eject cdrom

and then make it executable:
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chmod +x file.sh
now test it:
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./file.sh

Quote from: "VincentFirePony"
Also I found the 9.10 Netbook Edition and I'm interested in trying it on my laptop, but netbooks traditionally don't have a dvdrom drive IN then, so I'm hesitant. Any thoughts?


If it doesn't have a cdrom after install, you just have to add one line in /etc/fstab. After next boot, it will auto-mount the cdrom. Or you could just mount it manually each time:
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sudo mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom
(if sr0 is the correct interface, I remembered it was something like that from the screenshot you posted a few weeks back.)

I'm a skeptic when it comes to making a move out of Sherlock Holmes. I've read all the stories, and they WONT translate well to a Hollywood action format.

I recommend the British "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes" (TV-series), they follow the original stories very accurately. Each episode is one short story. And Jeremy Bretts interpretation of Holmes is brilliant.

Actually I recommend reading the books, they're awesome! And perhaps I should mention that I normally loath British "tv crime", due to severe overdose during my early upbringing. (My parents watched every single one on tv: "Inspector Morse, Midsummer Murders, Cracker, .....the list never ends"), and I'm not a fan of the crime fiction.

BTW Holmes only martial arts skill is boxing, which he was very good at.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 12, 2010, 08:01:11 PM
Haven't read the books, but I really liked the movie. According to a site I was looking Doyle was a fan of Bartitsu and included it in the stories. Bartitsu does include boxing and also cane fighting and jiujitsu, savate and another art I don't remember.

Here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/68snve

In the books its called "Baritsu"

Also saw Clash of the Titans over spring break, awesome movie.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 13, 2010, 05:37:20 PM
Cool perhaps?
http://scottjarvis.com/page105.htm
A special distro for playing retro games. :weebl:
In my operating system I only use Dosbox, UAE (Amiga) and ScummVM (for beneath a steel sky).

(http://scottjarvis.com/img/desktop.jpg)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 13, 2010, 08:43:57 PM
Whoa! I Linux distro just for playing games?! Crazy...

What's with the:
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#!/bin/bash
deal at the top of the script? I've never used that, but I have seen some scripts on the web with the claim that forgetting that line would keep the script from running right, but I thought that the "#" was a comment mark. Is it something else in bash scripts?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 13, 2010, 09:02:11 PM
Thats just too sweet and would go perfectly with my classic Nintendo belt buckle, but that means I would be replacing Ubuntu right?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 14, 2010, 09:10:34 AM
You can have several linux distros installed, and dual boot them. they can share the same swap-partition, and if you put your /home folder in a separate partition they can share that as well. However if you run different versions of the same program in these distros the .config-files you have in the shared /home for that program might get messed up, due to differences in the different versions. (if that would happen you could easily specify one of the versions should use a different .config)

(Or you could just install the programs/emulators that interest you in ubuntu. :))

I've never seen a script without that first line, and I've seen plenty of them. You need something to tell the computer what language/terminal emulator you're using. 99.2% of all linux-people use BASH (Bourne again shell), but there are many others out there.
Also, with that line in there you get syntax highlighting in all editors that support it. (gedit/kate/emacs/vim/geany...)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 14, 2010, 08:58:01 PM
Ah, ok. Yeah, I've only used the BASH shell, and I'm extremely in-experienced with scripts. All I can do is the plain-ol' execute five lines or so in this order, no flow control or anything. BTW, did you know that there's a BASH scripting plug-in for Eclipse?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 14, 2010, 10:34:34 PM
Actually, since it is a derivative of Puppy Linux... you might not need to install it at all. I wouldn't know though...

EDIT: No... I take that back. To get any of the real gaming going on... you'll most likely need to install it to HDD.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 15, 2010, 07:22:09 AM
If any of the games require hardware acceleration, then yes, you definitely have to install it to hard disk. If they're all older games then you would likely be just fine running it from the CD.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 16, 2010, 09:15:20 PM
Hmm. I'm thinking of switching to 9.10 netbook but 10.04 is soooo close...
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 17, 2010, 09:45:02 AM
I'd just wait for 10.04 if I were you.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 19, 2010, 12:49:21 AM
Ok. I'm to the point that I'm recommending my dad dual boot Linux like I do. So aside from being free and having community support, what are the best selling points of Linux specifically Ubuntu, cause that's what I'm running.
Flyboy? CK? Cthulhu?
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 19, 2010, 08:18:58 AM
"Ubuntu" is an African word....! :yes:










....yeah... I got nothin' :heh: :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 19, 2010, 09:55:53 AM
Well, using Linux:


So, now you want to use Linux, and if you're a noob, Ubuntu/Debian is specifically built for new comers, with tons of HowTo-guides and tutorials on Google/Youtube, and a very well built support channel on IRC, or any of the numerous Ubuntu forums. It's complete from the start, with minimal additional configuration needed. It's built to be as simple as possible for computer-idiots, or people who don't like working "under the hood", who just want to "drive".

However, you might not want to use Linux if:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 19, 2010, 11:31:22 AM
Yeah... I'm more of a console gamer. Mainly because my computer is never new enough to work with the latest and greatest games. So really one the greatest downsides isn't that great.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 19, 2010, 03:38:14 PM
Quote from: "Windmill_Man"
Yeah... I'm more of a console gamer. Mainly because my computer is never new enough to work with the latest and greatest games.

http://xkcd.com/606/
 :)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 19, 2010, 09:12:17 PM
:yes: Saw that one!





..... I'm pretty sure my computer can't run Half-Life 2. :eeeee:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 21, 2010, 03:22:11 PM
http://www.focus.com/fyi/information-technology/50-places-linux-running-you-might-not-expect/
Pretty cool.
I mean, Google, Wikipedia, IBM, CERN, etc, weren't exactly a "surprise" but the Russian school thing was, at least to me. And the Wallstreat, and DoD stuff.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 21, 2010, 06:12:11 PM
@Cthulhu: You should totally become a salesman. :eeeee:

@VincentFirePony: I can't think of anything not already on Cthulhu's list at the moment... but if I do I'll post it.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 21, 2010, 06:19:44 PM
Not being "locked in" is a major advantage, in my opinion. And that it's light on resources.

Also the free software for Linux has a standard that's WAY higher than all the Shareware etc that a regular Windows user might come in contact with. So it's a pity if they think Linux is of the same poor quality as their tested shareware/free-ware on XP.

Yeah, I know, I'm like trying to force feed everyone my opinions. I hate that.  :heh:
to each his own.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 22, 2010, 02:19:21 AM
That's one thing I noticed and like abt Ubuntu/Linux is that it doesn't lock up as frequently as my Vista does.
Tho maybe it locks up more often due to lack of virtual memory since I'm dual-booting...
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 22, 2010, 06:57:36 AM
But the dual-boot just means that two or more OSs peacefully coexist (hopefully!) on the same hard drive, but only one is booted at any given time, so the two aren't fighting over RAM/other system resources.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: VincentFirePony on April 22, 2010, 07:07:22 AM
yes but windows uses virtual memory, so i'm told. so it uses extra memory to soup up the speed so on and so forth.
I could be wrong.
So far they have coexisted peacefully. I still want to get rid of those extra choices on the grub boot choice screen thingy.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 22, 2010, 09:37:14 AM
Quote from: "VincentFirePony"
That's one thing I noticed and like abt Ubuntu/Linux is that it doesn't lock up as frequently as my Vista does.
Tho maybe it locks up more often due to lack of virtual memory since I'm dual-booting...

By "lock in" I meant that MS forces you to use their products and nothing else.

But I'm with Flyboy on this thing, having a Dual boot setup only affects you in the way that you have another OS hogging disk space. Windows uses real "RAM" and virtual memory in a special switching/virtual memory file that it uses to write excess RAM to the HDD. Linux does the same, but doesn't use a file on your C:\ but rather has its own SWAP-partition, with a special SWAP-filesystem that makes it faster. Both methods gives you "virtual RAM" on your Hard drive, and both systems ONLY works when the OS i booted. Meaning Windows will not affect you in any way when you run Linux. (other than hogging the disk space...)

(Now if you did a Wubi-install (=install Ubuntu inside windows) the above might not hold.)
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 22, 2010, 09:41:08 AM
I don't think it's any different with Vista, but... In XP there's something called a "pagefile" (Which is an actual file somewhere on your Windows partition.). Basically, it's virtual memory. You can change the size of the pagefile, but by default it adds 150% to your current memory. My computer has 1024 MB of RAM, therefore, the pagefile adds 1536 MB of virtual memory to that.

I learned that Linux uses something called a "swap partition" to achieve the same thing. As the name suggests, it actually reserves a small partition for virtual memory. I read somewhere if you have two (or more I imagine) different Linux Distros on your system, you can make them use the same swap partition.

I don't think the pagefile and the swap partition will conflict with each other.

I think I'm right... :heh:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 22, 2010, 09:42:03 AM
I was beat to it! :pinch:
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 22, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
Quote
In XP there's something called a "pagefile"

Yes, that's what I meant.

And yes, if you have multiple Linux OS they can use the same SWAP. My SWAP is currently 2 Gb, (=same as RAM) but that's way more than I need. Next time I repartition my disk, I'll make it 512 Mb. (minimum requirement needed for Suspend/Hibernate).
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on April 22, 2010, 09:51:15 AM
Yeah..... I don't believe I've had more than 1 GB of RAM in use at one time anyway. It's usually at around 500 MB.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on April 22, 2010, 10:03:24 AM
Well, if you're not a minimalist as myself, and you want full support for hibernate/suspend you probably could do well with 1024 Mb Swap.

I don't know which programs are heavy on Ram, but Gimp has on occasion used some 200-300 Mb on some big project I was fiddling with.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Flyboy on April 24, 2010, 08:50:55 AM
Blender is usually quite a RAM hog also, depending on the complexity of the project being worked on.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on June 14, 2010, 07:07:07 AM
Ubuntu fully supports NTFS read/write capabilities, right? I'm considering switching to NTFS... I'm getting tired of trying to find a backup program I like and that "volume shadow services" seems good...

Perhaps I'll only switch my system partition to NTFS... after all, it's the only partition that conflicts with backup attempts from within Windows.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Cthulhu on June 14, 2010, 01:21:48 PM
I would not recommend it, since you get fragmentation, and the system will not know who's the owner of a specific file.

Now I'm not sure what exactly you want to do, and I think it was mentioned before in this thread, but Clonezilla is popular, and does a good job at backing things up, well actually clone you entire HDD, or partition.
Title: Re: Trying to live free and use Linux =(
Post by: Windmill_Man on June 14, 2010, 10:17:48 PM
Actually, I've found a way to not have to switch to NTFS. UBCD4win is much faster from an actual CD then it is from my crappy flash drive. It's actually usable now...